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Engineers Doing EOD Work Get Incentive Pay

This Stars and Stripes article:

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_pay_042004,00.html

Describes how engineers doing the work of ordnance disposal are now (as of last November) eligible  to receive incentive pay of $150/month.  So far I haven't seen this but at some point I should since I've been doing this since July and my company has been tracking this.

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Published Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:47 AM by ssmith

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ssmith said:

EOD is more than "just blowing stuff up" It's a school that is 8 months long. Engineers are getting hurt by doing EOD's job. I know for a fact that if an Engineer is hurt by an IED, they call it a IED attack and attempt to hide the fact that they messed up. If they defeat it, then it's an Engineer RSP and they think their EOD. Also I'm hearing that the Engineers want the EOD badge as well. Why don't you Engineers go to EOD school and earn it. A monkey can place a block of C-4, but an EOD tech knows how it funtions and the safety of the Ordnance.
August 19, 2004 8:58 AM
 

ssmith said:

Wow! Talk about being bitter! Last time I checked, when a superior officer orders you to do EOD, you do it. I am sure Steve would love go to to the classs. It is in the states right? So he would have to come back to the states for it, rihgt?

Steve, take this guys advice and fill out the needed forms!
August 30, 2004 4:42 PM
 

ssmith said:

EODPaul's got a good point; my job as an engineer is to support EOD, both with engineer skills and by providing security. Their expertise and equipment is far better than an engineer line platoon's for dealing with IEDs. In a pinch, though, and for UXOs, we're the trained monkeys to end up destroying a lot of the munitions over here, simply because the EOD teams are in such short supply. The school's open to any branch and to both officers and enlisted, so if I were planning on a career doing what I'm doing, I might try to get into it, but I'm not so I won't.
August 30, 2004 11:31 PM
 

ssmith said:

Engineers are NOT trained to calculate blast/frag distances, RSPs on various types of ordnance, nor the functioning of those ordnance items. I know, 6 deployments later and working with and talking to different engineer soldiers, some are told to by superior idiots while others see it as a fast means to clear up a situation. Ive tried numerious times to devise a better plan or different ways around this, but the end result is always someones personal modification to the SOP. The incentive pay is the demo pay that any soldier doing demolition can file with their PAC clerk to send to finance.
Think before you start moving any ordnance, are you for sure it isnt armed?
April 4, 2005 7:31 PM
 

EOd_james said:

If I am not mistaken it is a violation of General order Number 1 in any deployed theater for non-EOD personnel to handle, dispose or any in way form or fashion attempt to deal with UXO or an IED. Also, when engineers or other Soldiers blow up IED's  all the evidence that is needed to help find the people placing the devices is now gone, because these Soldiers are not trained to conduct post blast investigations. When disposing of UXO, the type by function of ordnance items found on the battle field can boggle the mind with the complexities of fillers, functions and armed/unarmed states. Also, No soldiers other than EOD have the required publications to effectively render safe or conduct a PROPER DISPOSAL. Also, for the Soldier who made the claim that a superior officer ordered them to "do EOD work", that is called an unlawful order and should not be followed. Did you know that several hundred chemical filled artillery rounds have been found in Iraq and a few in IEDs. Do you as an Engineer know what a chemical round looks like?

March 26, 2007 11:36 PM
 

Johan Pelser said:

I am a former member of the bomb sqaud of the South African Police  (17 years on the ground and training experience). We have done disposals, rendering safe, destruction, investigation of scenes of explosions ect on limpet mines, hand grenades, vehicle bombs, landmines, pipe bombs,IED, ect. I also have done some EOD. BAC, Demining ect. You are actually in the same game, so why don't you guys (ssmith and EOD james take hands and try to teach each other). Although it is not the same job there are a lot of similarities between EOD and IED

October 2, 2007 1:55 PM
 

treetbear said:

I have to say reading this really scares me. My son...a new basis training grad is headed to Afghanistan to do route clearance. No training, no school...and sent to war. Is this the type of support I can count on him receiving? It was not his decision to become a US Army Engineer and to be sent to detect IED on his first mission but I would hope that ALL members (battle buddies) would do their best to ensure that everyone had ALL means at their disposal to remain safe and to return alive. Not to worry about who gets incentives, who is better at what job, and  who is a "wannabe". He just wants to learn his job and do the best that he can at it. I resent the fact that you would consider an engineer a "monkey" placing a CO2 charge. He is willing to learn and to go to ANY school that the Army would give him the opportunity to attend. Instead, "Uncle Sam" feels he is needed to put his life on the line 4 weeks out of basic training. ssmith, please step up and help these young men to become better soldiers and bring them back home ALIVE..that is the number one mission!!!

Thanks from an Army Mom!!!

July 19, 2010 10:22 AM

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About ssmith

Enlisted in 1995. Basic at Ft Sill. AIT at Ft Jackson (75F). Served in Ohio National Guard. Went through ROTC program at Ohio State University and received 2LT commission in 1997, Engineer branch. Spent about 4 years in 16th Engineer Brigade in Ohio National Guard, then moved far from nearest unit and went into Inactive National Guard, and eventually Individual Ready Reserve. Called up from IRR in 2004 for duty in Iraq (Engineer Platoon Leader with 1st ID). Made it home in 2005. Resigned commission as a CPT in December 2005.