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More IRR Callup Info

Michelle writes a bit about the current, supposedly not involuntary, callup, here.

An interesting set of comments can be found on OutsideTheBeltway.  One quote includes:
They are utilizing the IRR in three phases.
Phase I 1-17 May IRR soldiers are asked to join a drilling unit
Phase II 17May-1June Soldiers are involintarily transfered to Units
Phase III 1 Jun-TBD Non Obligars (Veterans + Retired Soldiers/under 60)are assigned to units

Weird things in the works......Next step.......Wake the Giant! THE DRAFT

Another Quote:
I am an O-4 currently living in san diego. I have been in the IRR for several years, since there are no units or slots for me down here in the USAR.

A couple of months ago I got several phone calls and emails basically stating that I had better join a TPU or take the consequences. I was told that the IRR will ensentialy cease to exist by this fall. and that IRR types will either be transfered to TPU's, called to AD or drummed out.

A more official view, along with a bunch of reactions from military folks, is located on the ArmyTimes site and comment forums.

However, at the end of the comments, one finds this:

IRR Call-up Scam and Army Does About-Face on Call-up Readiness

So, it does seem that not all of the IRR is being called up, but the fact remains that some (or at least one) member(s) of the IRR have already received orders to involuntarily report to active duty (i.e. me).

Update 26 May 2004
I've spoken to several permanent party civilians and military personnel at FLW about the IRR callup and several of them have received information about this callup through official channels, including information about dates and other details just like the ones that were shared in the initial posts about this (above).  So, this doesn't sound like a hoax to me, although I could certainly see somebody trying to call it that as a method of 'spin' or public perception damage control.

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Published Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:44 AM by ssmith

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ssmith said:

have you been called to active duty, or just called to being training as part of a TPU?

From my reading of the "it was all a hoax" story, its not a hoax, nor is the order a mistake. The problem is that the order has been misinterpreted---and apparently used by some unscrupulous recruiters to fulfill their quotas.

Under the law (Title 32, CFR 101.5) all members of the Ready Reserve are required to train as reservists. But members who are placed in the Individual Ready Reserve after fulfilling their "active duty commitment" can only be required to train in a Selected Reserve unit after "diligent efforts" have been made to fill the Selected Reserve positions, and those positions remain vacant.

The order itself is not a call to active duty, but merely a call to train as a member of a Reserve unit. Now, maybe a year down the line, these former IRRers/new Selected Reservists might wind up being mobilized for Iraq....but I don't think that is really what is being contemplated at this point.
May 20, 2004 8:16 AM
 

ssmith said:

My orders, which you can read here: http://armysteve.com/armysteve/gallery/image/1.aspx, say active duty, not just training or part of TPU. And I didn't volunteer, so this would be an involuntary activation.
May 20, 2004 12:08 PM
 

ssmith said:

I believe the units are trying to fill slots. I would recomend finding a unit that is deployed and has openings and sitting there unit your MSO is up or if you are in the guard going ING after your MSO is up if they make you serve a year.
I think maybe 2-4 thousand will actually get called up. Does anyone know the truth that if you get back into a guard or reserve unit if you have to sign for one year? Why cant you just serve out your time? Thanks
May 22, 2004 11:12 AM
 

ssmith said:

I can't explain what the Guard guys are telling you but as for the Army Reserves, there is no need for an extension or reenlistment. You sign a DA 4187 requesting a specific unit and position, THAT IS IT!!!
Also, if soldiers are not in an alerted unit, you may request to go back to IRR status at anytime. I don't understand this talk about signing commitments or contracts. A DA 4187 is a "Request for Personnel Action" form, not an extension or reenlistment. All the Reserve Career Counselors are doing is offering soldiers a choice of unit and or position, NOT extending or reenlisting unless the soldier requests it. Just because you are on the IRR call up list, it doesn't mean that you are definitely getting sent back to TPU or Active Duty, it just means that you are within your MSO and CAN be called back if this country needs you. Obviously, when the time comes for you to get your involuntary orders, the country needs you and you should be prepare to come back. We will issue new uniforms if you have been out over 12 months so there is no need to buy anything. As you have read in the earlier posts, soldiers are already getting orders to go back to TPU or Active Duty. BTW, Career Counselors are not recruiters, we are here to assist soldiers with retention, school and other benefits.
May 22, 2004 2:01 PM
 

ssmith said:

Hello,

Many years ago I was as scholarship cadet. I quit my MSIV year and paid back my scholarship. What is my legal status as a disenrolled former cadet and should I be worried about membership in US Army Reserve control group if this IRR callup thing is for real? Basically my feeling is that I am just one notch above 'all out reinstatement of the draft' - basically I don't think I have to worry until they bring back the draft.

Lowspeed
May 25, 2004 1:19 AM
 

ssmith said:

I spoke to a couple of other departments here at FLW as part of my inprocessing and they also seemed to confirm that the IRR is going to be 100% called up RSN (real soon now). The finance office, in particular, volunteered the information without me even asking about it, saying that essentially the IRR is going to be empty in a few weeks.
May 28, 2004 11:19 AM
 

ssmith said:

Best of luck on your mobilization. Things happen for reasons, all part of God's plan.
It is quite scary that the civilians inprocessing you know about this. I am on Terminal Leave right now, and my DD214 says I will be thrown in the IRR June 18th, with a little over a year MSO left. With the timeline I've seen, it means there may not be an IRR for me to transfer into. I've talked to my AD unit chain of command, and they said they have no intention of calling me back and extending me. My CSM said this is a joke and I have nothing to worry about. Don't really know what to think. I've been contemplating joining a reserve unit for a while now, but the retention NCO says I need to drop into the IRR for 2 days first, then he will have me sign a 4187 transferring me to his unit. No pressure at all from him, and I've spoken to some other RC/ARNG recruiters in my area and they claim to know nothing about any of this. What MOSs has this been affecting so far? I'm a 19D and have spoken to a few 19D's already in the IRR who weren't called by recruiters or anything, and they've been in the IRR for a while. Mystified and don't know what to do.
May 30, 2004 2:44 AM
 

ssmith said:

Well, here we are, June 1st, and no telegram from HRC (as prmoised)....
As an NCO in the IRR, I would advise IRR soldiers not to freak out. Every soldier needs to know that they signed up for eight years, and if needed, will be called back.
That doesn't mean you have to believe everything you hear. If you are called up, you will receive a telegram from HRC, not a cheesy letter from a recruiter. (Remember all those "my recruiter told me...." stories at boot camp?) I have been getting "mobilization orders" for over a year. Always consider the source...
Be smart about the information out there: The IRR is being "screened", because there is a demand for critical MOSs (Civil Affairs, MPs, Engineers, etc.) This information is all publicly available.
There may be some truth behind the memo that went out (or was "leaked"?). I found it interesting that some IRRs have actually been called, while the official position is that none have been called yet.
It is stressful trying to manage a career with the uncertainty of an impending call-up. I finally came to the conclusion that it is not worth the energy to worry about something you have no control over.
It is really sad that the American public in general has no clue about the state of security in the world, or the fact that we are in a war that is NOT of our choosing. These are dangerous times.
So live your life, but prepare mentally and physically to do your job. Being out of shape will not get you out of duty, it will only make it harder.
June 1, 2004 1:14 PM
 

ssmith said:

LJD,
You're definitely correct in your last statement about being out-of-shape not helping. We've been on orders here at Ft. LW for a week-and-a-half now and have not done a bit of PT, have not taken an APFT, and have not been weighed/taped. It's not on the schedule for us, either. When we asked about it, they said it didn't matter, we were going regardless. I'm sure part of the lack of organization for my situation is due to the fact that I'm here with just one other LT, so we're pretty much trusted to take care of ourselves, but I think the theme of "being out of shape won't save you" is an important one for folks to realize. Being in good shape, on the other hand, can only help you, whether you're deployed or not...
June 1, 2004 2:33 PM
 

ssmith said:

Recently, my boyfriend was called back up from the IRR. He is now active and doing the once a month thing. But he owns his own business, so is there anything that can be done for him to be inactive again?
June 5, 2004 11:59 PM
 

ssmith said:

You can request a deferment or exemption for personal hardship, including if you are a sole proprietor of a business. I'm not sure of the details, but it's certainly an option. I don't know how likely such requests are the be granted, though...
June 7, 2004 11:07 AM
 

ssmith said:

LT:
I got some information today that may be of value to those following the IRR fiasco.
On arriving at the AKO site, I knew something was up because they are experiencing difficulties with the normal log-in process (due to traffic?).
I checked my record and found the following alerts:
1.) Soldier has entered civilian skills/occupation. (I am a 19D, working as a Civil Engineer)
2.) Security Management office is updating my security clearance.
3.) Personnel action pending.
I expect to see numerous blogs in the next few days if this is really happening. I will keep you posted on when/if I get a telegram.
June 18, 2004 11:23 AM
 

ssmith said:

LJD,
Thanks for the info. I am one of the stupid people who thought it was real and joined a reserve unit. They are now giving me the option of rescinding my orders. I am an FA guy and own a business. I have no idea what to do. My reserve unit could deploy, or I could be called from the IRR, Classic catch-22. Good Luck and thanks again fo rthe info.
June 18, 2004 1:12 PM
 

ssmith said:

RE: AKO REcords (HRC-STL)

I noticed the same thing yesterday when I logged in to check my records. I had an alert that said my secret clearnace had expired (although I have an interum), Alert that said recommends additional military education, an alert that said 'you are an unconfirmed volunteer for current operations.

One day a few months ago I was reading the screen about volunteering and 'clicked' the volunteer button expecting more informatio ... It listed me as an un-confirmed volunteer ever since ... Ut - Oh ....
June 19, 2004 10:52 AM
 

ssmith said:

Al:

Follow the link from MY RECORDS to "For More Information About... (security clearances) on the HRC site. Get the telephone number for IRR soldiers, and call it. IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO VOLUNTEER, tell them you accidentally clicked the volunteer button. They can remove it from your record, and you will no longer be an UNCONFIRMED VOLUNTEER.
June 21, 2004 2:24 PM
 

ssmith said:

True, But I'm torn by that ... I know if not me , then someone else. This war has to get handled and I know that someone has to do it. I guess I'll let fate (or GOD) decide.

I may be lying in a cot someday ... thinking what the **** was I thinking.

Besides, today all those alerts on my AKO personal data site dis-appeared!

Al
June 21, 2004 10:24 PM
 

ssmith said:

>> True, But I'm torn by that ... I know if not me , then someone else. This war has to get handled and I know that someone has to do it.

No one has to do it. Tell the neocons in the White House to go f- themselves. This war is about setting up a dummy government and the largest military base in the world smack dab in the middle of the Middle East, privatizing infrastructure and hijacking the oil reserves to ensure our global market domination. Burn your telegram.

>> I guess I'll let fate (or GOD) decide.

Why don't you decide for yourself, and instead be content to wait and see how God handles your decision later?

>> I may be lying in a cot someday ... thinking what the **** was I thinking.

Precisely. Like a lot of them are doing right now, and like a lot of soldiers did in Vietnam. This war is illegal, not to mention evil, and quite possibly the start of World War III. You want to be a part of this? Look, you were born with free will. Exercise it. They count on you not to. They tell you what is good, what is right, what is patriotic. They scare you into believing that you will be shunned by society and by your family for sticking up for what you believe in, i.e., not killing and perhaps being killed yourself in order to continue their bullsh** quest for empire.

We will never succeed in setting up the interim government, and even if we do, the situation at best will be like the 'peace' between Israel and Palestine... a neverending cycle of violence. Look, if there had been a real WMD threat from Iraq then don't you think Israel's intelligence services would have known about them long ago? This entire war was waged on lies. George Bush and the entire administration should be handcuffed, brought before the Hague, and tried for war crimes.

-Paul
June 27, 2004 3:43 PM
 

ssmith said:

Paul:
You have got some balls... To spread this garbage on a BB meant to provide information for soldiers who are fighting for your freedom of speech. You are ignorant of the truth, of the responsibility you should take for your words, or reality in general. You are likely not in, and have never been in the service... you are likely an atheist, definitely a fool ... If LT Steve wasn't so busy preparing to represent your dumb ass overseas, I would recommend he delete any posts from ungrateful morons like yourself. Stop smoking that stuff and you might not be so paranoid about our government. Besides, maybe its ME who is coming after you!
June 29, 2004 7:35 AM
 

ssmith said:

>> You have got some balls... To spread this garbage on a BB meant to provide information for soldiers who are fighting for your freedom of speech.

The soldiers aren't fighting for my freedom of speech. They're fighting for our irresponsible desire to put cheap gas in our cars. You can thank the oil interests in Congress who have been lobbying against having to build more fuel efficient engines for years. You can thank Congress for passing a tax write-off for SUVs that get 9 miles to a gallon. Sorry, but I'm not going to kill Iraqi kids for our failure to act responsibly. We consume 20% of the world's energy but make up only a fraction of its population and we are the world's largest polluter yet we backed out of the global warming treaty. Our behavior is unjustifiable.

>> You are ignorant of the truth, of the responsibility you should take for your words, or reality in general.

I take full responsibility for my words. Nor am I the only one who is thinking this stuff, although I may be the only one willing to come out and say it. I am convinced that this war is wrong and I'm not going to fight it. Loyalty to God first, country second.

You say that I am ignorant of reality in general. Let's talk reality. No weapons of mass destruction. No al-qaeda link. We've been there a year but the area has become a magnet for terrorist recruitment and the security situation is worsening. The only ministry we protected when we landed was the ministry of oil. 9,000 to 11,000 civilians documented killed and that's a low estimate, it's possibly three times higher. We refused to let them have democratic elections when they asked for them. Their new government is handpicked by us, not by the Iraqi people. CNN isn't telling us the significance of the handover, telling us what it means to be 'sovereign,' because there's basically nothing to talk about because we are still in control. The largest US Embassy in the world is in Baghdad. It houses 1,700 people and will soon be housing more. We own that country, it might as well be the 51st state. We were told that when the transfer took place there would be a steady withdrawal. But CNN says this morning they are getting ready to announce the mobilization 5,600 IRR troops, one day after the handover. This war has been nothing but lies and PR stunts, the kind of crap I've come to expect from this administration.

>> You are likely not in, and have never been in the service... you are likely an atheist, definitely a fool ...

I have been in the service, airborne infantry, I am in the IRR, and I am a Christian. And if I am a fool, I am a fool by your standards only, choosing instead to be a fool for peace instead of a fool for war.

>> If LT Steve wasn't so busy preparing to represent your dumb ass overseas, I would recommend he delete any posts from ungrateful morons like yourself.

I am grateful for everyone over there who is risking their lives, even if they fight only because they took an oath and believe they should follow it, right or wrong. But I say their oaths have been broken for them because their own Commander in Chief took an oath as well, a higher oath, and has been breaking it every day. He put them there unnecessarily, rushed us to war before the inspections could be finished and against the greater advice of the international community, squandered our good name worldwide to the point that we can no longer be trusted to do anything militarily on this planet no matter how noble or worthy the cause may be, ravaged the environment, betrayed the Constitution by eroding our civil rights, resurrected the nuclear arms race, pulled virtually all federal aid from the Third World, sold our democracy to the highest bidder, and possibly the worst offense, claims to be a Christian while doing all of it.

-Paul
June 29, 2004 3:27 PM
 

ssmith said:

I'M FRIGHTENED SOME WHAT, BUT IF THEY CALL ME I'M READY TO COMPLETE MY DUTY AS I SWORE TO A FEW YEARS AGO
June 29, 2004 9:18 PM
 

ssmith said:

I'VE ALREADY DONE MY TIME IN THE FIRST GULF WAS BUT I DID SWARE THAT I WOULD SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN & DOMESTIC
June 29, 2004 9:21 PM
 

ssmith said:

-Paul I couldn't agree with you more. The fact that 51% of Americans still think this war is justified baffles me. Douglas Feith created the office of strategic plans to drum up fake intel to sell this war. It was also his office that was in charge of post-war planning and rejected the product of months of work by dozens of Iraqi exiles and Mideast experts in the State Department and the CIA who anticipated many of the problems that have wrong-footed the occupation. None of the bush administrations reasons for going to war hold up unless you believe we are really doing this for the benefit of the Iraqi people. If that’s the case you should look up the civilian casualties associated with the U.N. sanctions we supported. To save you the trouble conservative figures show 3,000 dead Iraqi children per month. Never mind the fact that prior to the sanctions the leading health concern for Iraqi children was obesity and after the sanctions the leading cause of death was diarrhea and malnutrition. Rumsfeld and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz criticized Gen. Eric Shinseki, after Shinseki told Congress in February 03 that the occupation could require "several hundred thousand troops." Wolfowitz called Shinseki's estimate "wildly off the mark." Rumsfeld was furious with Army secretary Thomas White when he secretary agreed with Shinseki. White and the analyst who predicted that there would be an insurgency rather than a calibration were also fired. Basically anyone who had an accurate prediction of what was really going to happen if we went into Iraq was ignored or removed. The Army National Guard and Army Reserve are mobilized in numbers not seen since World War II and I still haven’t forgotten that Rumsfeld actually wanted to downsize the military. I'm sorry but I already served 5 years of a 4 year contract due to stop loss. Bush can kiss my sweet ass if he thinks I'm going to leave my wife and life for his misguided foreign policy.
-Jarvis
June 30, 2004 10:22 AM
 

ssmith said:

Eh looks like I missed a spelling error or two. My apologies.
June 30, 2004 10:34 AM
 

ssmith said:

Forgive my ignorance about the irr program. I was honorably discharged in 1988 via the palace chase program in the USAF, mobility NCO. Additionally, I served two years, 1992-1994 in the USANG infantry, and was honorably dischared from there as well. Will I fall into the IRR category for possible callup? and If so, where could if find information regarding my status.

Thanks for any help
June 30, 2004 1:55 PM
 

ssmith said:

I was under the impression that it was Army only but i could be wrong on that. They are having a media pow wow today and we should get some more information out of that.
June 30, 2004 2:19 PM
 

ssmith said:

Finally an up to date discussion on this IRR callup. My question is:
- EXACTLY which MOS's are being called up? Which ones are "critical specialties"? Yes, there is the standard list that is being regurgitated on all of the news articles. It is the SAME list everywhere, and the SAME article reworded. I have been looking for a month now online and have not found an actual DA list posted anywhere for public viewing. Yes, I know that this is asking a lot, but there has to be someone out there with information regarding an official listing for MOS callups for the IRR.

the reason I ask is that I simply want to know my chances- I have an MOS that was being phased out, but as of JUN 04 the cutoff scores for SGT dropped to 560 where they have been almost completely solid at 798 for YEARS. I have 4 months IRR commitment left, and though I don't mind fighting for my country I do have a severe problem with this bullshit going on. No one ever told me that I didn't have a right to disagree with the Bush Administration.

Anyone got the list? and PLEASE don't patronize me with "do your duty" and "suck it up and drive on"; I know the army well after serving for 4 years and I know the drills. I just want the info.
June 30, 2004 9:00 PM
 

ssmith said:

Just to show that I am looking, and for those who haven't seen this- It's not easy to navigate to:

https://www.2xcitizen.usar.army.mil/soldierservices/mobilization/involmobquestions.asp
June 30, 2004 9:16 PM
 

ssmith said:

Question: Retired from active duty on May 2000 and put on USAR Control Group (Ret) until Jan 31, 2006, what is the chance of being called up? MOS: Logistics
July 1, 2004 2:31 AM
 

ssmith said:

BenF: I don't have a list but I'd recommend calling HRC in St. Louis and see what they have to tell you. I can say that I'm a 21B Engineer Officer, and they called me along with a few others in my rank/MOS back in April (report date in May).
July 1, 2004 2:37 AM
 

ssmith said:

My IRR committment is up August 1, 2004. Does anyone know the procedure I need to follow on August 1 to get discharged?
July 1, 2004 1:06 PM
 

ssmith said:

Any luck on the list of MOS? I was also wondering how the callup would work, will they contact the entire 5600 immediately or drag it out over the next year or whatever?
July 1, 2004 6:59 PM
 

ssmith said:

I just read a story from FoxNews that described the people being called up for IRR as this:

"People in the IRR have in most cases completed their required four years of active duty, but their obligation to the Army is not completed until another four years have passed, when they are required to do Guard or Reserve stints. Some service members join Reserve units as soon as they are released from active duty. Those who do not go into the IRR pool are eligible for call-up for the full four years post-active duty. Once their eight years of required service is complete, they are discharged."

I have a nephew that has served his 6 years in the Army Nat. Guard and is a year into his "inactive" period of 2 years. Will he be included in this group? Or is it all ex-active duty soldiers that chose not to join reserve units.....as FoxNews states??

July 1, 2004 7:18 PM
 

ssmith said:

Douglas McArthur - yes he would be included. It's not just active duty. All members of all branches of the military have an 8 year total commitment, minimum. It can be 4 active and 4 reserve/IRR or it can be 6 reserve/nat'l guard and 2 IRR. But if someone joined up less than 8 years ago, they're not out yet.
July 2, 2004 3:02 AM
 

ssmith said:

I am due to be discharged from the IRR in 12 days. My mos is 92G Cook. What is the likelihood of my getting the call back?
July 6, 2004 9:20 AM
 

ssmith said:

What about injured soldiers? I was chaptered out on a overweight with RE code 3 but I was also on a 2 year temp profile so I figure they let me out on overweight so they wouldn't have to pay me for a back problem pension. I was a MP but RE code 3 on the DD214 is unfit for military service. I'm wondering what my chances are.
July 8, 2004 12:05 AM
 

ssmith said:

Is the irr affected by the current stop loss 1 day till my ets and was just wandering?
July 20, 2004 12:10 PM
 

ssmith said:

As I understand it, IRR is only affected by stop-loss once you have orders calling you up. The stop-loss that is now in effect is only targeting members of units who are deploying (or have deployed or recently redeployed [which is army-speak for demobilizing]). So, if you're IRR with no orders, you should be free to go. If you're an officer, though, be sure you resign your commission, otherwise even after your 8 years are up, you're still in.
July 21, 2004 9:28 AM
 

ssmith said:

Is resiging your IRR commission as simple as sending a letter to St. Louis that states "I hereby resign my IRR commission" or is there a special form/process?

My IRR is up August 1 and I want to make sure my resignation is done correctly.

Also, there is a second type of stop loss in effect in addition to the stop loss for deploying units. There is a milpers message that lists certain MOS categories that are currently stop lossed.
July 21, 2004 12:59 PM
 

ssmith said:

Where can I view the milpers message to see if my mos is included??
July 21, 2004 2:35 PM
 

ssmith said:

LT.
Thanks so much for posting your experience. Just wanted to let evryone know, don't believe the news reports as to what MOS's are being called. I'm an 11B (out of active duty for 3 yrs.) and recievied my orders last week. So its not just service and support.I've been told that after inprocessing back to active duty, and a 2 week MOS "refresher course", i'll be assigned to a National guard unit that is moblizing.They've activated the 42nd ID (National Guard) for OIF3, so maybe i'll get stuck with one of they're units. Anyone have any further info?
July 22, 2004 1:40 PM
 

ssmith said:

It is milper message 02-096. Just do a google search for stop loss and the message number and you should be able to find it. There was a message after this one that released some of the MOS from the list - i.e., the list has gotten smaller since this message. So if your MOS is in this message, find the next one to see if it was removed or not.
July 22, 2004 4:35 PM
 

ssmith said:

My fiance went AWOL after only serving for 4 months active duty. She's been recalled and is trying to get out based on financial hardship. Two questions:

1. Why would the Army want her back when she went AWOL and barely served?

2. What are her chances of getting this exemption?
September 19, 2004 11:48 PM
 

ssmith said:

I went through ROTC as a non-scholarship cadet, was commissioned in 1989 and completed OBC in 1990. Since there were no reserve units for my specialty nearby, I was released to the IRR. However, in the wake of the Gulf War, I sent my personel file to ARPERCEN in anticipation of a potential deployment. That never happened and after initially sending letters to ARPERCEN every few years to update my records, I have had no contact with them whatsoever since 1994 or so. I am assumming that I have been discharged at this point, and that the risk of being recalled is slim to none. However, is there a way to confirm this without increasing my chances of a recall?
September 28, 2004 1:58 PM
 

ssmith said:

If you received a commission, you're in unless you resign your commission, at which point you'll receive a letter or form or something stating that you've resigned your commission and are released from the military. If you don't resign, you're never released. You should send it to HRC St. Louis or ARPERCEN (I think they're the same these days), I would think. Don't assume just cuz you haven't heard from them in a while that you won't get a telegram next week...
September 29, 2004 1:36 PM
 

ssmith said:

When your time in the IRR is up, do they send you a notice telling you that you're done? I was enlisted so I am assuming you don't have to request to get out when your time is done...right? I guess I just want to know if they acknowlege that you are out with some sort of notice...thanks!
October 2, 2004 5:25 PM
 

ssmith said:

You must resign your commission. They have a form on the HRC command website - federal express it and keep the tracking number. Do it now!
October 8, 2004 12:33 PM
 

ssmith said:

Thanks for the reply Susan, but my question was as an ENLISTED soldier. I wasn't a commissioned officer. Anyone have any ideas about that? Look 2 posts up. Thanks again!
October 10, 2004 6:44 PM
 

ssmith said:

Hello All:

This topic popped up in the news again recently (60 Minutes and newspapers). Things would have to be going sideways pretty bad before they'd want me back so I'm not losing too much sleep. But it raised a few questions about my own status...

I was commissioned, served active duty, I VERP'ed in the early '90's and finished the balance of my 8 years in the IRR. While IRR, apparently I was boarded for promotion (in absentia?) and passed over twice. Concurrent with completion of my IRR obligation, I was notified that I had been passed over and received a DD256A1 (Honorable Discharge). The authority referenced was AR 635-100. It essentially states that if you are passed over for promotion twice, you are processed for elimination and your commission is TERMINATED.

Recalling Susan's and Steve's comments above about resigning commissions, I would suspect that my circumstances would preclude a need to resign my commission since it was supposedly terminated for me. Of course I'm trying to make sense here, and this may not be applicable in the present situation...

Any thoughts or experiences with this?

The media reports weren't real clear on the circumstances of some of the folks they presented (and I view the media with a critical eye), but there was some indication that some of the commissioned folks had been discharged for some time but perhaps had not resigned their commissions(?). This raises an interesting question: If you were released from the Active component (DD214), you were discharged from the Reserve component (DD256A1) having fulfilled your obligation but didn't actually resign your commission, and you aren't retired, then what military component would your commission possibly still be applicable for? (SSR- Secret Surprise Reserve?)

Thanks & good luck to all!
December 12, 2004 5:24 PM
 

ssmith said:

According to my husband's DD214, his reserve obligation termination date is in May 2005. St. Louis send a letter and he checked the box stating that he would like to resign his commission. Then St. Louis called him at work and said that they are denying his resignation of commission? What's up with that? Is that part of the stop loss? He served 5 years active and 3 years in IRR. Is there a DD form to formally request resignation of commission? If so, what is the exact DD number? I appreciate any help in this matter. Best wishes to all.
December 17, 2004 7:44 AM
 

ssmith said:

I have been reading all the news about the IRR call-ups. I have been looking for information on how to sign up to be recalled. I ETS'ed in 87 my IRR Status ended in 92. But all I can find out is how to try and get out of being called up.
December 18, 2004 7:33 PM
 

ssmith said:

I have 28 years with the guard, IRR and a 20 years letter, I read some where that if your not obligated, over 28 years service or 60 you can't be called up. is this true Thanks
January 1, 2005 7:12 PM
 

ssmith said:

Hey Jarvis,
Were you a Senior NCO at one point in the Army. Maybe stationed at Jackson at some point? If so I know you. If not sorry just stumbled across these boards and caught my eye.
February 14, 2005 8:38 PM
 

ssmith said:

I'm currently working as a contractor for the US Army in Kuwait. I received orders yesterday to report to Ft. Jackson by 13 March under OIF mobilization. Funny thing is that at this time in 2004 I was getting ready to redeploy from Bosnia (called up for that one to). When is enough..enough. I don't mind serving, and I have served. I feel I am serving now as a contractor and certainly have a larger impact in my current role than I will in the green\brown suit. If they can grab me (AOC 72D), they can get anyone.
February 22, 2005 8:08 AM
 

ssmith said:

I received orders to report to Ft. Jackson, SC in July. I am currently rated at 50% with the VA. Don't be fooled by this. They are taking anyone and everyone they can. I have filed and exemption and an appeal both of which were denied. I then filed for a delay which is still pending. They don't care, they need people badly. I am a single mother, with my own business and no Family Care Plan,as well as service connected disabilities and they still insist that I report for a physical to determine my ability to serve. I personally feel that they are so desperate that they will take anyone who shows up. I was told by Debra Cook's office that they knew that I wasn't fit to serve but I still had to report for a physical by a military doctor since I hadn't seen one in over three years. Going to the VA hospital doesn't count. I have a little over a year left on the IRR list and you know that if I go to the MOB site that I will be more fit to serve than a new recruit. I have since then spoken to Senators and Congressmen who spoke with the Army liason and they told them for me to report and ask for a discharge once I get down there. All they want is for you to get to the MOB site, then they have you where they want you. RECALLED!!! I have gone to the American Red Cross for help, and they faxed a request for a complete discharge which is still pending. If you have a legitimate reason that you can't report other than you don't want to, don't give up and do what they say. They will lie to you and do anything to get you to the MOB site. Be very careful, and exhaust all resources before reporting if you are truly unable to serve.
February 28, 2005 3:08 PM
 

ssmith said:

I was just wondering if anyone has herd about another IRR call up this year for OIF 4? It seems like it might be about that time for them to start thinking about the next rotation. Any info would be great.
March 9, 2005 12:10 AM
 

ssmith said:

I never saw a reply to a question above. I'm an enlisted soldier in IRR status. My 8 years is up in August. Will there be any formal release sent to me. Do I need to request anything stating that my contract is fulfilled? Thanks for any info.
March 29, 2005 3:41 PM
 

ssmith said:

MRP - If you're enlisted you should automatically be done, and I *assume* that the Army will get around to sending you a copy of your honorable discharge at some point. I know for me I have to jump through some hoops to resign, but you shouldn't have to deal with that.
March 29, 2005 5:01 PM
 

ssmith said:

What about OIF1 & 2 veterans on the IRR? Does the 24 month five year cap apply to them?
April 12, 2005 9:43 PM
 

ssmith said:

According to current guidance as far as I can tell, the cap would apply, SGT Man. How many months have you served in the last 5 years, active duty? If it's more than 18 you probably don't have much to worry about. If less, you could get called up for as many as it would take to hit the 24 month cap. And of course, sometimes people get stuck longer than that even, but they're not *supposed* to under current guidelines as I understand them (which is simply from what I read in the news and in memos coming out of the pentago).
April 14, 2005 11:33 AM
 

ssmith said:

What's the "24 month five year cap?"
April 18, 2005 6:53 PM
 

ssmith said:

I just resigned my commission and I thought that there would be some people interested in my experience. First some background:

I was a year group 92 officer branch detailed Infantry/Ordnance, commissioned through ROTC with a 2-year scholarship. I served on active duty 92 to 96. I was in the IRR 97 to 98 and was involuntarily placed into the IMA program in 99. I never drilled. In 2000 (8-years) I was asked if I wanted to resign my commission and was sent a sample resignation letter. I never got around to it and was involuntarily recalled by my parent unit after 9-11. Did 2 more years active duty stateside and went back into the IMA. I decided to stay in the reserves and attended the Military Police Reserve Captain’s Career Course and branch transferred to MP. I did one 2-week drill as an IMA and decided that I didn’t want to stay in. I submitted my unqualified resignation to HRC and it was processed in 1-month. I received my honorable discharge today.

This is what I learned during the process:

1. For reserve officers the only thing being considered when resigning a commission is if the service obligation has been met.
2. The overwhelming amount of resignations that are being denied are due to officers not having completed their 8 years.
3. There are also many resignations being rejected because the officer has already come down on orders. In some cases officers are trying to resign from Iraq.
4. In some cases, members of TPU’s who have met their obligation, are having their requests rejected by their chain of command, which they are required to go through, not HRC. The same chair of command is also preventing them from transferring to the IRR from where they can submit their request directly to their career manager.
5. There is a 24-month cap on involuntary recall for Noble Eagle, Enduring Freedom, and Iraqi Freedom. That’s 24 month total for all these contingencies together– period. (The 5-year start over is a myth) Bear in mind that volunteering for operations, the Balkans, or GITMO, does not count toward the 24 months. The only way to get around the 24-month cap is for the president to go to congress and ask to go from partial mobilization to full mobilization.

All this can be found on the Army G-1 or the HRC websites.
April 23, 2005 6:49 PM
 

ssmith said:

Let me clarify #4.

An IRR or IMA submits his resignation directly to his career manager at HRC. A TPU must submit their resignation to their career manager through their chain of command. They must also get approval from their chain of command to transfer to the IRR.
April 23, 2005 6:52 PM
 

ssmith said:

Has anyone gone through the involintary mobilization process? I've been reading a lot about people not being able to get a medical discharge, and after have shoulder and back surgery I just don't think I could return to an Infantry unit. And I just got my orders and St. Louis said that its hard to get exemptions and delays.
June 21, 2005 1:13 PM
 

ssmith said:

What if my 8-year obligation ends February 2006? (Less than 8 months from now.)
June 26, 2005 12:44 PM
 

ssmith said:

asdf
They can call you up all the way until your final day. But they are giving about 2 months notice right now. So good luck!!
June 26, 2005 10:18 PM
 

ssmith said:

I was called up from the IRR and am getting mobilized. I need to show up aug. 21. I am now a Registered Nurse. I would much rather go as a Registered Nurse than anything else. Do you know what my chances are of getting that mos???
July 25, 2005 7:00 PM
 

ssmith said:

Talk about screwed up! I am awaiting orders for Aug 7th. They refused my deferment request. Well it is not Aug 7th and they have me down as a deserter! Of course no one answers their phones or e-mails, and all the paperwork I have supports me in this case. But in the meantime I am losing sleep and I do not expect orders now of course. Any ideas? Contact me at robert.mclaughlin at us.army.mil please!
August 2, 2005 6:31 PM
 

ssmith said:

The latest: They admit that listing me as a deserter is an administrative error. "The person who processes that stuff left and no one knows how to do her job" is the excuse I was given. Okay so now i don't feel as bad, it is not me, it is them. Now I'd laugh if I was not up for E-9 at the same time. I bet the Board will enjoy this one.
August 8, 2005 6:39 PM
 

ssmith said:

Does anyone have information on rescinding a resignation of commission? Are there waivers or special requests that have to be made or is the job just impossible?
August 26, 2005 3:25 AM
 

TrackBack said:

July 2, 2004 11:22 PM
 

Mark said:

Question about IRR Delay/exemption
I received mob orders, but due to current circumstances, I am requestions a Delay/exemption.  However, I love this country, and I'd loved serving in the Army (veteran of OIF1) - And would still consider returning to the Army in the next few years (after taking care of some other issues here at home) --- If I am granted an exemption from this mob order, how does that effect my ability to re-enlist in the Army in the future???
June 23, 2006 10:24 AM
 

Steve said:

It probably would have no effect, especially given the current needs of the army.  Your exemption, assuming it is due to current situation and not some chronic medial condition or something, is by nature temporary.
June 23, 2006 10:44 AM
 

dan said:

My resignation from the IRR / USAR was delievered a couple of weeks ago to St. Louis HRC. How long does one normally wait to recieve the discharge? are there any next steps?
August 8, 2006 11:02 AM
 

Steve Smith said:

I sent mine in July 2005 and received my discharge in late December 2005 (just after Christmas).  So, plan on a good 4-6 months for processing.  In the meantime, I made monthly or so calls to a MAJ at HRC St-Louis to make sure there was nothing more required from me and that my request hadn't been lost or held up or anything.  Good luck!
August 8, 2006 11:14 AM
 

Jake said:

They are trying to call me up and report by NOv 05, my MSO ends Sep 16 2006, whats up with that do they have the high ground or do I.

September 11, 2006 11:50 PM
 

Steven Smith said:

Part of your callup should include options for you to contest the orders -- I suggest you follow those options.  It seems to me that you would have a strong case.  You might also post this in the armyadvice forums (http://armyadvice.org/forums) to see what others think.

September 12, 2006 10:08 AM
 

C said:

I keep hearing all this talk about deferment and exemptions being submitted but I can not find a single place to locate any forms or precise instructions on what exactly I need to fill out what so ever.  I'm IRR working a gov. job involving the military I haven't been called but very solid inside sources say we're about to do a MASSIVE IRR call up after the november elections but they're waiting till then because they don't want it to have a negative effect on their votes. Personally I wan't to have my exemption request pre-prepared so I can bounce it straight back at them should I get orders but as I said I can find no guidance at all on exactly what forms I need to fill out or what documents I need to collect.  I'm not against serving I'm in Iraq right now but I am against being pulled from a job of far higher significance and pay to go home mobilize and come back so I can fill some space filler job for pennies that truely serves far less purpose then what I'm currently doing anyway.  Can anyone tell me what forms or whatever I need? Obviously I can download them from form flow if I at least knew what they were.

September 28, 2006 6:49 AM
 

c said:

or even better yet what do i need to fill out as far as forms and such to get on the "standby reserves: active status list" i cant find that info either

September 30, 2006 5:42 PM
 

M said:

It's been awhile since this has been addressed.  Does anyone KNOW of any IRR callups recently.  I had heard a rumor (which everyone knows is worth what you paid for it) that the army was going to stop using the IRR as fillers and try to create complete units when they need them.  It sounds kinda fishy.  I'm trying to decide now whether to stay in the guard to finish out my time and hope we don't get deployed or to try and take my chances in the IRR.  The unit I'm in deployed in mid 2003 and returned begining of 2005 so they're probably getting close to due.  I'm just curious if they have got a handle on the numbers yet or if they are still calling up IRRs.  Thanks

April 3, 2007 1:36 PM
 

Karen said:

Can anyone please tell me the procedure for IRR call up?

I had what I think was a recruiter at my door this AM looking for my son . He said my son  was being called up for a Quartermaster unit in Philly.(my son is free and clear in OCT,when his 8 years are up)If my kid was truly being called up would they not send something registered  or certified mail?

I think this guy most likely was just trying to get his quota for the month .

Any help or insights greatly appreciated

Thanks

April 18, 2007 1:59 PM
 

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Your instincts are right.  Don't listen to anybody - wait and see if you get something in the mail, like this:

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April 21, 2007 4:05 PM
 

Jeffry Pages said:

I'm a retired Reserve Officer, retired in 2001.  Is it possible to go back on active duty?  I'd go in heartbeat if possible.  Am a Gulf War I vet and served nearly five years in Saudi and Kuwait.

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My husband just got called up in February for a 15-month deployment. We received a FEDEX package from STL. His order were in there, telling him to report in a month to Fort Jackson and he would be supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom. Yippee freaking doo.

On a side note, I'm also active duty Army and am possibly being chaptered for PT failure. Can they still put me on IRR?

September 25, 2007 11:28 PM
 

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I feel strange writing as I'm wanting information about going IN to the IRR as a means to an end.

I joined the USAR last November 2007 on a "Try One" (prior Navy x 8 years). Due to still not having been to AIT (they tell me it may be next year and I'm still going through the process of getting a clearance) and stressing over finding work (which is why I joined, due to the idea that more education/training = higher employability), I've decided to pursue more education, possibly a commission and have also a potential UA-type job waiting for me in Nevada and there's a Masters program at a university there that I want to get into.

My unit will not send me to any school but 35L. I understand that.  I submitted a request to have my old Navy "MOS" assigned to me to at least be able to get a UA job, but I'm getting roadblocks.  So I am looking into getting into the IRR and then immediately coming back in for almost any MOS that has an opening in the area I want to move to and is a quick school.

What form do I fill out and what, if any, special information must be on it?  Such as "Per ... regulation..."?  Basically, how do I fill it out?

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Enlisted in 1995. Basic at Ft Sill. AIT at Ft Jackson (75F). Served in Ohio National Guard. Went through ROTC program at Ohio State University and received 2LT commission in 1997, Engineer branch. Spent about 4 years in 16th Engineer Brigade in Ohio National Guard, then moved far from nearest unit and went into Inactive National Guard, and eventually Individual Ready Reserve. Called up from IRR in 2004 for duty in Iraq (Engineer Platoon Leader with 1st ID). Made it home in 2005. Resigned commission as a CPT in December 2005.

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